Treasury knew----

Maybe it's because the White House is the same party. Right? Maybe that had--could that have anything to do with it, Mr. Koskinen?

But that's not what happened, Mr. Koskinen. The Chief Counsel at Treasury knew about it and talked to the Chief Counsel at the White House in April, right after you found out about it.

I care about the thousands of people who were denied their First Amendment rights when this targeting scheme took place.

This is ridiculous, Mr. Chairman, that we did not know this when he first knew.

Don't you think it's incumbent upon the Commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service when he gets a--think about this.

The American people deserve this agency, which was previously believed to be nonpartisan--they need to be able to trust that it will once again become nonpartisan, nonpolitical.

You don't remember who came up to you and said, 'Hey, boss, we lost Lois Lerner's emails?'

The American people have no trust in the IRS by comparison to just a few years ago.

First, they denied it, Mr. Chairman.

You would think that would be significant enough to remember how it happened.

So you'd really want to dot your I's and cross your T's. Right?

Do you understand, really, the gravity of what America feels in regards to the IRS?

Were you bothered by Lois Lerner's conduct? I mean, you had to know about it.

Then, you should be aware of it because that's how we came about in regards to Benghazi and the select committee.

Are you aware that, in the articles of impeachment of Richard Nixon, in Article II, item number 1...

That's why it's serious, I mean, because this is--I mean, if there's one thing I can tell you, that's a dark light on our history.

I just don't see you as part of the solution. I don't see you able to get us out of this ditch.