Jim Jordan actually said...

It would be nice if we had something objective. It would be nice if you had something objective so we could examine and see whether it makes...

But if it is just we are going to tell you what we think and we don't think it is severe, well, how do we know?

Well, that is the problem. That is our concern, because if there is no objective definition, if you can't tell me what severe is...

Mr. Gerard, does the Renewable Fuel Standard increase the actual cost of fuel? Yes. Economists and experts say it does.