With all due respect to investigations ongoing and panels being appointed, the American people deserve immediate and full disclosure of all relevant information so that we can assured and comforted that something that we never believed…

Congress should have been notified of this situation a long time ago.

I still think it would be premature to call for the secretary's removal.

What were the instructions to the guards?

There's not evidence to convict Secretary Rumsfeld.

Senator Moynihan taught me before he left the Senate that we have rarely found a way to change something in government until we find a way to measure it.

We put forward a series of tests in the legislation.

If you think you can get it into legislation, I am fine. I just think that is a bridge too far at this point in time.

Yes. You will hear from Clay Johnson, we have already got one set of standards that have been put forward by this PART review.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator Voinovich, I appreciate your willingness to hold this hearing.

Actions must follow. Accountability must follow.

Absolutely. It is not the bigger share of it, as I noted in my presentation. But I think we have a credibility gap for us to be able to take on.

I applaud your willingness to address this issue. This is one of those issues that most people just duck away from.

We thought it was too big of a bite to take, that if we got to this portion of the Federal budget, 25 percent was a good start.

I would suggest that. If others do not want to leave that up to a commission and want to have a more prescriptive nature from Congress, I can see doing that.

I think Rumsfeld's resignation is a bit of a sideshow in a sense.

I'm trying to find out because it's been published that you were notified about this a series of times and advised to do something about it. Nothing was done.

Would it serve to demonstrate how seriously we take this situation and therefore a help to undo some of the damage to our reputation if you were to step down?