Again, there is a point I would like to make, Mr. President. The Senator stated that this locks us in. There is nothing to preclude that in a subsequent year as we find that perhaps, now, based on actual cost, those costs have changed. It…

Mr. President I wish to thank the Senator from Ohio, the distinguished floor manager. He is correct. This is an issue that was of concern between the Governmental Affairs Committee and the Budget Committee. Through the evening hours and…

If that authorizing committee chose the option that said, in the event it does not provide full funds, that is the threshold, and if that subsequent appropriation does not hit that threshold, then that Federal agency can in fact do a…

The difference, I say to the Senator, is he is saying the same language used in the private sector. If you do so, then there is no way the point of order can lie.

to further answer that, that is correct. They have said in the inquiry, Could you put this in the bill? However, I tell you there has been further clarification that if the Senate were to determine that it just did not feel appropriate for…

just in response to that--and I appreciate the idea of consistency--in this particular legislation, it was really many, many hours of working together with the House. I was not privy to what sort of arrangements the Senator had worked out…

as I believe my colleagues in the Senate know, S. 1 was considered and passed by two Senate committees, the Budget Committee and the Governmental Affairs Committee, but there is one issue of disagreement between the two committees. That…

I say to the Senator, it might cause us to then rethink the mandate. But the Senator keeps going back, saying, let us be honest; let us be honest. S. 1 gives us this process to be honest. it is going to give us the best information…

But I say to the Senator, with the process as prescribed, you will have that report from CBO. You then, as the Chair of that committee, can use that and come down to this floor, and you can get a majority to vote to waive that. Because you…

If the Senator will yield, I really believe that--and the good Senator from Michigan keeps referencing the 87,000 jurisdictions--they would be arguing what I am trying to say. Maybe I am not very eloquent in saying it. It is not in any…

Unless it is waived. On the private sector, we say we will not be paying for that, but we ought to know the cost and impact up front. With the private sector, if the Congressional Budget Office comes back and says, ``We just cannot make an…

if I may, to continue our discussion; yes, we do ask CBO to make an estimation. The Senator is correct. Since about 1981, CBO has been required to do some estimating. They have begun to build some years of information that will help them…

I believe, I say to the Senator, that if S. 1 were in place right now, this would be the process that would help, for example, the Senator from California in dealing with what may be further Federal mandates where there are costs imposed…

I believe the Senator from California raises a very important issue when she raises this question of immigration. The Senator from Florida, the Senator from Texas, the Senator from Arizona, and many others have raised this issue. But in…

Again, Senator, that is correct. We require, on an intergovernmental, that there not be an estimate. But in going through that process, it may be that the conclusion of that estimate is that they just cannot provide the data that we are…

I believe we had thoughtful discussion about this bill. We also made progress on the consideration of several committee amendments and two amendments to those committee amendments. My hope is that we will complete work on this bill this…

Yes, S. 1 establishes a new point of order under the Budget Act against incineration mandate legislation in the Senate unless the mandate is paid for. I believe strongly in that. So do local and State governments and tribal governments…

I resist a sunset provision. To me this is going back to the fundamentals of what the Founding Fathers intended; that is, that we have this sort of partnership in the federalism program between the States, localities, and the Federal…

I agree with that but it is up to Members not CBO to certify by note that they cannot do it. So there is no point of order, there is no basis for the Chair. I think we may be caught in a bit of a technicality or semantics issue. I would be…

I think I have made it clear. I think it is a responsible thing. But if you are going to offer a multibillion-dollar amendment, certainly that did not just come to mind that night. Certainly you have talked with either the Budget Committee…

The joint resolution Senator Warner and I are introducing today will direct that the aircraft carrier approved and funded by the last Congress, known heretofore as CVN-76, shall be named the U.S.S. Ronald Reagan. I can think of no better…

I will answer that I strongly believe that we should follow this prescribed course. In that case, where you say there was a cost to the city of Albuquerque, there was a cost to the cities across the country that had to put in these metal…

I appreciate greatly what the Senator from Ohio has just stated. He has accurately laid out the thrust and, I think, the beauty of this bill, and he has done it in his normal, straightforward fashion that everybody can understand and…

I respect the Senator's view on this. Now, we will probably disagree, but I respect what the Senator is saying. Congress has a bad habit of not picking up the tab on orders that it places, and so this I think is going to help us with this…

But the key to this whole legislation is that if a point of order lies against that, then you come down here. You may have from CBO or from the committee itself the analysis as to the rationale as to why a waiver should be granted, and a…