I want to thank the panel.

Let us get right to the point on this.

I am not challenging that in particular, but if the two railroads are responsible for writing the plan, how do you guarantee that people who utilize railroad services, i.e., shippers, have had their input in the designing of the plan?

I take the opinion that it seems to me that more and more we have less and less.

How do people who utilize railroad services have input into the content of the plan, if at all?

All we were asking for was the right to be treated as the other Class I's had been treated under the previous rules.

Thank you.

Only if someone comes in and challenges it.

It is not a waiver, Mr. Burkes. It is an exemption. It is an exemption that has the effect of law.

I said hypothetically.

The agency has spoken pretty clearly. They are very inhospitable to mergers.

I am trying to find out the effect. The plan you said is a good idea, but a good idea that is not enforceable is not necessarily a good idea if it cannot be enforced.

This is my last question.

But KCS has never requested that they be not considered because of their smaller size?

Did any other railroads support the exemption?

We have to have a competitive society.

Well, let me just say two things.

What justification can CSX or other railroads in the U.S. give for a pricing system that would be illegal in any other industry in this country?