So we would assume that, because on those efficiencies, that we would have a greater output from the 1970s, wouldn't we?

Having them resign and face the consequences--and not face the consequences is not appropriate, Ms. Schwartz.

And you've disciplined, you said either terminated or disciplined 30 people. Is that correct?

The American people don't understand this, Ms. Schwartz. What they've seen is they've seen 400-plus people that an IG says has not actually accounted for their time according to computer and other logouts.

So you would support their termination if they were falsifying records?

But you've fired no one.

there is no logical conclusion that you could come to, other than someone is gaming the system.

What is it--you say it depends. Depends on what, on how you feel on that given day, or what does it depend on?

If you did not change your goals and perspective since the 1970s... you've got a problem.

Is it a ridiculous request to ask a supervisor to have access to a work schedule for someone who works for them?

Do you think the American people would have a problem with that?

If they falsified more than 8 hours, would you support their termination?