I think it is pretty clear. You can look at this graphic.

One thing I want to bring attention to that is disturbing to me is, Dr. Thomas and Dr. Deering, we have student rosters including employees from Dr. Deering's office.

I think that is very misleading, because if you actually use the same scale, the growth in the FTEs and the number of visits is about the same.

Even after this trial period is over, two years, I would hopefully like to continue to seek efforts at the VA to say, you know what, we can do a better job and provide that access closer to home, which is important for the veteran, but…

If they are willing to do that, I just encourage you to look into that.

I associate myself with once again Mr. O'Rourke and his wise counsel, that we certainly are going to see the added, I think most of us understand, we hope for the best, pray for the best, but plan for the worst.

This idea that surges in cases cause some of these problems however I think is pretty ludicrous.

In Kansas, the state of Kansas, the estimates are from our state, it increase the jurisdiction by 400 percent.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate that, Deputy Administrator, for being here today.

But the secret waiting list, I mean here is what I saw at one facility.

How do we restore the trust that we can actually believe the data you are presenting to the committee?