Of course they are thrilled. They are getting fed taxpayers' money to do things that they would be doing anyway.

I have always worried that experts--what is the line they always say, generals always fight the last war, not the next one.

Because we have them going on right now where the whole eastern, east of the Mississippi, if not east of the Plains, is going to be provided by service three times of what the minimum that we are requiring here.

So in other words, you were fighting the last war; didn't look at the fact that there was a new technology coming on that was going to be available.

I hope both sides consider the fact of what has happened over the last year or two. The fact is that this amendment is here before us because we have an extraordinary situation that has happened in certain local communities and States…

I think that is a legitimate argument to be held at this time. I think that in all fairness, you need to choose either to be engaged in the activity, trying to give an incentive, but if you do that, the incentive should reflect reality not…

I appreciate the chance to be able to talk about your part of the deal, and that is make our Tax Code fair, equal, and rational, and right now, it is not.

This is where we are trying to get our Tax Code to reflect good science, not inappropriate politics.

I think the credibility, Mr. Neal, Congressman, of the program has been severely hampered by what basically appears to be Congress picking winners and losers based on political agenda's or misconceptions of environmental benefits.

To say that clearly as somebody that would tell you is working on stuff like greenhouse gases, we do not embrace some of this technology as the U.N. Council on Climate Change said, who got the Nobel Peace Prize along with Vice President…

I think that Tax Code should at least be equal, if not question the logic that maybe we ought to go to a BTU based credit somewhere in the future that reflects true energy that the consumer is receiving and the country is getting the…

Mr. Ranking Member, let me say this quite clearly as somebody who was a regulator more than I was a congressman, how many times have you heard we need a Manhattan Project for energy independence?