Bob Menendez: “Well, the purpose of leverage is to come to the ultimate goal that you have.”

I just want to underscore that point because it is so important.

From your perspective, how has Boeing historically and more recently handled the tension between prioritizing safety while also being a moneymaking enterprise?

I feel like that voice is lost. And I think it is something that is critically important to make sure that they are a part of the process.

The training, I think, is probably one of the largest items...