07/26/2021
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"It is not costless to them. Neither was it costless to the individuals who may have been falsely brought into a process."
"Let me ask you, housing counselors have been at this a long time, and unlike some of you who in this particular case, not in terms of your companies and its expertise, but in this particular exercise ..."
"How do you--how are you going to make that judgment?"
"This is unacceptable to hear that they say it may not be possible, it is up to you."