09/30/2020
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"I think Mr. Shimkus actually mentioned this."
"health care fraud knows no boundaries and it attacks everybody."
"the more we do spend looking for fraud, the more we find, and so the return on investment has actually gone up the more we spend."
"Ultimately, we want to be in a place where physicians find it is in their own interest to want to move into a new organizational structure."