Frank Pallone actually said...

"If it turns out that ash does become more toxic and we find that States and utilities are not doing enough under the subtitle D rule to protect human health... would it be important for EPA to be able..."

"If coal ash does not become more toxic and implementation of subtitle D is effective, EPA would have no reason to pursue a subtitle C rule."

"I also wanted to start by congratulating my colleague from New York, Mr. Tonko, on continuing his role as ranking member of this important subcommittee."

"I expect we are going to hear from the second panel that legislation is needed to remove EPA's authority to regulate coal ash under subtitle C in the future."