03/16/2009
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"I think it is utter nonsense. We can have a skeleton, we can have protocol, we can have this model of a 10-year budget, but you saw what happened the last time we did this and it did not work out."
"I think that is critical. I think it is essential to everything that we talk about in terms of health care."
"The facts are the facts, Mr. Balto, would you agree?"
"What would it increase the debt exactly?"