So as we look at that, Ms. Brown, from a GAO perspective, that type of tool that allows us to track those benefits and where they are being used and perhaps allow for better fraud prevention, is that a tool that you have or is that a tool…

If you will get your folks to get with us, we will work in a bipartisan way.

I want your first priority to be fraud.

How about you at USDA, Mr. Concannon? Can you get us that?

But going after fraud is legal.

But the bad actors, I want to make sure they go home and they go home for good.

And that is precisely why we are having this hearing because it shouldn't be a stigma that everybody is cheating the system.

This will not be the last hearing then, and we will have you back.

Could we get a report like this for every single State where we see the benefits that are being used in other States?

let me tell you, it is harder to go after the recipient and it is very easy for you to make statements about recipients

I mean, if we put forth that any saving from fraud actually went to increase the benefits for some of the others that are receiving it, we would find some real uniform bipartisan support for that.

I do think it would be a deterrent to folks who don't want it traded because their picture is on it.