It would be too late, yes. When they become the consumer of their own products, it is game over.

I need to realize how far down the road we are going.

So how do we create within China this interest or this respect for the rule of law, because we see that in so many areas where there is not that?

How big does it have to get before you see a concerted effort on all parts to come together and to address it?

We can't sit idly by while the Chinese government... continues to perpetuate theft on a grand scale.

I have been in a number of hearings where we have heard about human rights abuses in China and as it continues.

China simply doesn't play by the same rules as we do.

But those that have options of mining abroad, do you see us losing more and more jobs to quarries, if there are the natural resources in those foreign countries?

So you wouldn't be in favor of anything that sends more jobs to China?

We can't afford any more jobs going to China.

So, Mr. Stoll, you mentioned about a fine of $140,000-some-odd. You are a larger corporation, so you can afford that, right? Oh, you can't.

And I thank each of you for your testimony.