I'm fascinated by this because I see this--you mentioned something and you said never in your diplomatic career had you seen such a misnomer of the reality.

My belief was this was one of those.

I have to tell you, I taught American high school and college students. They don't know this story.

It takes 40 years of rapid economic development, not 40 weeks or 40 months.

Democracy isn't just elections--it's freedom of the press, which can get at corruption, which is a key issue for China.

And patriotism and nationalism were not synonymous.

None of those things can happen if we don't talk about them.

I think many of them, once they knew, would stand proudly with those fighters of human rights.

I could only hope that she would be as courageous in a similar situation as you have shown.

China is always going to act in its perceived interests.

I think it's important to realize there really are limits to what not just the United States, but anybody, can do.

Yes, I think it's very insightful. Many of us mark time from that.