Doug LaMalfa: “They still don't have the property, and this is 12 years after it passed, and they are way behind on all their…”

But that costs a lot of money to the taxpayers. We always say Government needs to do something. It is the taxpayers that pays for all of this.

So, to replace 65 percent of the locomotives by 2030, no way, right?

Now, if you were a miner, if you were anybody else, that would probably be life in prison for what they are doing there.

Well, my understanding is that it does depend on how good or bad the pool level is.