So, if you could just answer that, specifically, 'over the past two decades,' if they're right or wrong on $80 million being left on the table on its gas pipeline replacement program.

My goodness. So, you could actually save so much money you could even do more at the end of the day.

I think we ought to discuss that because my experience is when the funds go back to the general Treasury, then they do not specifically get used for transportation.

You mean the Build America Bonds that Mr. Seltzer spoke about. Is that correct?

I would never support an independent infrastructure bank.

I want to remind the Administration and my colleagues that we must also make much needed investments in water infrastructure as well as investments in our transportation infrastructure.

I'm asking specifically about the fines. Is it true that you rarely fine the people you oversee? Is that still the case?

We need inspections. We have to have inspections.

We can't wait for another accident. This one cut deep into a community.

Learning what happened at San Bruno will be an important part of that process.

So, I need to know where they were.

I started with Senator Lautenberg--that he has been pushing for these since the Edison accident.

we, as a community--San Bruno and the larger community in California--decide are the right ones to do.

I need that information.

We need a check and balance.

So last week I joined with my colleague, Senator Barbara Boxer, to introduce the Strengthening Pipeline Safety and Enforcement Act of 2010.

You requested $5 million, you didn't spend it. Then you went back and requested another $5 million, and you're not going to spend it until 2013.

This tragedy, I believe, shows the heavy toll in death and destruction when high-pressure natural gas pipelines fail.

This tragedy shows the heavy toll, in death and destruction, when high pressure natural gas pipelines fail. The risk is unacceptably high.

You have my full support, as you have Senator Feinstein's, to help you though this, meaning helping with that appeal and also making sure this never happens again.

What are your plans to make them safe--specifically?

We have to take action and set the pace here.

So, you won't decide it. They'll decide it?

I need to know more than just a general answer.

Thank you, Chairman Lautenberg, Ranking Member Thune, our esteemed U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer and members of the Subcommittee for inviting me to testify on the matter of 'Pipeline Safety: Assessing the San Bruno Explosion.'