Mike Johanns: “But I think we are overregulating in a massive sort of way, and I just want to try to come to grips with what we are…”

Our job is to try to figure out how we deal with that puzzle, that very difficult issue of how to provide services to people who need it.

Somehow we have got to figure out a better way, because at the most important time in this person's life, when they are crying out for help, it should be a simple, straight-forward pathway to access that help.

I just hope we are not over-engineering something here.

I think it would be beneficial.