Is there a role the government can play that does not actually do more harm than good?

So would that require more regulation of the banking industry, some targeted actions there?

I want you to kind of answer the question I asked Mr. Spiezle about the enormous incentives you have.

Because here is my concern, is that we enact some piece of legislation with the best of intentions that actually makes it more difficult.

From my standpoint, I would love to see, again, the government contact ISO certification companies.

I will just reinforce the point that you have literally thousands of private sector inspectors out there that can help you out.

Well, even non-unionized workers have recourse through the courts, and that is the problem I am having with the regulations requiring that.

I am new to this issue. Are there penalties for noncompliance?

But you have the power to do that?

I would think that would be a natural coordination between ISO certification and then also the insurance market.

In other words, that is something you really have not considered yet, you have not really----

You know what you get out of it? A lot of management pressure to correct the deficiencies, which I am not seeing right now.

The first charge of the Congress is to defend the country.

I mean, it should be a requirement.

I would rather spend money on the audit, realize what a disaster a particular unit is, or how successful a particular unit is.

Let me just say, you are making my point, that you should just go ahead and audit.

I think leadership is key, but the way you are really going to get results is if you hold people accountable.

The audit should be used as a management tool to be conducted to tell you where you have deficiencies.

And again, coming from the private sector, you are never going to get an unqualified opinion if you do not have prior years' experience.

I am talking about accountability up front to maintain and keep the process in control.

There is one other area I want to talk about, because a number of people have mentioned how disruptive the government shutdowns, the budget dysfunction is in terms of being able to obtain an audit.

The sooner we do it, the better, from my standpoint.

You cannot manage what you cannot measure.

Well, not to beat a dead horse, but once you start doing it, they will be accountable and they will get into line.

I want to go to a statement that Senator Tester talked about, whether the Department of Defense is too big to be audited.