Gwen Moore actually said...

I thought it was very -- I told him there was some consolation that he felt concerned about these things, too.

I wanted to ask him, who are these people? What were their security clearances? What information did they take?

I certainly appreciate the perspective that in pointing out the need to listen to those with lived experience...

It is not fair to come to the table and say to people the only way that we can fix it is to cut benefits by 25 percent.