Howard Griffith actually said...

My understanding is is that the Obama administration EPA, which was very aggressive on a lot of these issues--a lot of these issues never tr...

Well, and I am glad that we agree that narrow and targeted NSR is necessary but that we need to make some reforms.

So, basically, if you're more efficient, that's bad from the viewpoint of those that don't want to----

And in fact, I would submit--and I want to know if you agree--that in some ways, by having rules that don't make sense we actually might inc...