Howard Griffith actually said...

And whether we are dealing with manufacturing or we are dealing with electric generation or refining, we actually want those people to be mo...

So, basically, if you're more efficient, that's bad from the viewpoint of those that don't want to----

We should have an NSR program that presents clear standards for when reviews are necessary.

Well, and I am glad that we agree that narrow and targeted NSR is necessary but that we need to make some reforms.