Howard Griffith actually said...

"I am not going to tell Mr. Bassett it can't be done. We need to change this rule and I appreciate your help in that regard."

"And whether we are dealing with manufacturing or we are dealing with electric generation or refining, we actually want those people to be more reliable, don't we?"

"So, basically, if you're more efficient, that's bad from the viewpoint of those that don't want to----"

"Well, and I am glad that we agree that narrow and targeted NSR is necessary but that we need to make some reforms."