Frank Wolf actually said...

I do not think they have improved.

I mean, we have spent so much money and we are dealing with live individuals who are, you know, made in the image of God.

I have read that the recidivism rate--they operate a couple of prisons, one down in Texas. They have one of the lowest recidivism record.

I think this is the most impressive testimony that I have heard since I have served in this institution on the issue of prison reform.