Frank Wolf actually said...

But I still see articles in the paper about it, though. You still see more at state and local prisons, but it is still----

I think it is an embarrassment that the United States has the largest per capita prison system now in the world.

Well, Mr. Chairman, could we try a pilot?

If we do not have productive, number one education programs, and number two, the Prison Industries Program, or some form of it, we cannot po...