It creates greater instability in a region that already has had tremendous amounts of it. But no question--I mean, it borders the Straits. Again, it puts more of that in Iranian hands, no question. Mr. McCAIN. Would it be accurate to state…

Look, I was speaking earlier about this issue, which no one knows more about than the Senator from Arizona, but one of the basic national interests that we have in the Middle East is the balance of power. As you know well, people in our…

That is right. One thing that is sad about this in some ways is that everything you have said is true. But in addition to that, there are some intelligence community affidavits that go on top of these and explain even more fully that that…

That is correct. Mr. McCAIN. But isn't it also true that the Government of Saudi Arabia has not been implicated by these so-called 28 pages that were going to reveal the vast conspiracy that the Government of Saudi Arabia allegedly for…

I especially thank Senators Nelson and Rubio for highlighting this to the Nation.

We have interdicted them several times. Mr. McCAIN. Is it true--would you estimate, given your knowledge of the issue, that if Saudi Arabia had not intervened in Yemen, it would now have become a client state and would have been taken over…

Yes. No, I think it sends a signal. Look, I don't think anybody can debate--we have had these discussions in our Foreign Relations Committee. I know you have had them in Armed Services, where you are the distinguished chairman. I think…

Thank you very much, indeed, for inviting me here today. I also want to thank the committee for keeping South Sudan a topic of discussion in Washington for quite a bit of time now.

But she in essence was terminated over this issue.

A diplomatic initiative toward an U.N.-EU transitional administration can succeed.

It does seem like there was--just in fairness, again, there does seem like a big disconnect there.

I have tremendous respect for President Ghani and a warm relationship with CEO Abdullah.