OK. Then if we are going to provide sufficient money for everyone to get child care as a first resort and a last resort, while it may not be an entitlement, it has in effect the same consequence which is everyone will have a day care slot…

I have sympathy for what he is talking about. I was a member of the Ways and Means Committee which last year worked on the Republican Task Force on Welfare and came up with a bill, H.R. 3,500... we introduced a bill that, as chairman of…

If you provide the amount of money that will be necessary to fully fund the program, in a sense you have not created an entitlement but you have created a slot for everyone.

I am not making the point that we should not provide child care for women who are on welfare who want to work. I am not saying we should not do that. The point I was making is I do not think we should create a guaranteed entitlement for…

I believe this is an amendment that should get overwhelming support of this body. The amendment addresses a problem that I think has come to light through newspaper articles and other studies that have been done by criminal experts where…

I think there is a mischaracterization. Maybe it is not a mischaracterization. I know the amendment has not been presented. You received a summary. But what the Snowe amendment does is say that the parents with children under 5 who can…

Where are the jobs,'' I hear. We are not allowed to refer them to the jobs. Under our bill, we would create the opportunity for those referrals. Under their bill, they prohibit job placements.

If I own a company, a small business, and I want to hire a welfare recipient, they cannot refer that person unless it is a newly created job?

A city or State job. If you have a job available in the highway department holding a sign up--we have all seen that--and you want to refer a welfare recipient to that job, you cannot do that today; is that right?

I want to pick up on this issue of worker displacement because I do not think we got the full answer. I am reading from the bill, section 485 of the bill. Subsection (C) talks about nondisplacement. "In general, no funds provided under…

I find myself wondering whether we do need to commit potentially more resources to provide for people who are going to be required to work so they can have the opportunity to have some child care available to them. I am hesitant, in fact…

the amendment that I sent to the desk I hope is going to be a noncontroversial amendment. I believe it is one that should get broad support, hopefully unanimous support, of this body. It is an amendment that is very similar in nature to…

I join with the Senator from Oklahoma. Senator Feinstein's second amendment, I think, is a positive amendment and one that maybe we can work on and get it accepted on both sides. I think it is a good amendment. I am not as enthusiastic…

Let me understand this. Maybe we are a little more different than I thought we were. What you are saying is you take the entire caseload of people that are on welfare, and you say a certain number of them are ineligible because of an…

And programs where you saw it more as a dynamic program where people were there to do things, to make a positive contribution to their community. I am hopeful that is what will result in this. I am very optimistic that we can find, I…

Now I ask maybe a broader question. How many people who go into the welfare program have to participate in this new program as designed by the leader's amendment? What is the participation--I know what it is in our bill. We eventually get…

On this issue, it seems like there is some agreement that 50 percent is a fair figure and allows for some State flexibility in considering the fact that roughly a third of the parents who are on the current AFDC caseload are disabled in…

And it is up to the State to determine who those people are that should be working or should not, which 50 percent. It is a State flexibility issue?

Even if they are in a high unemployment area--I am going through the other exceptions here--even if their children are living with other than a parent; even if you have a child who is ill or incapacitated, irrespective of all of these…

My understanding is you have participation rates. We have participation rates in our bill and you have participation rates in your bill.

I guess then my question is, let us say you have someone who is a single mom with a couple of children, and she is on the program for 2 years and has been in job search and doing things that are required under the temporary employment…

Does that apply just to those exemptions or the high unemployment exemption also, so if the State of New York, for example, did not want the people to go to work in New York City? Or is that an automatic? Is there no State flexibility…

I said that would not be my preference. My preference would be to have no exemptions at the Federal level. We allow the States the ultimate flexibility to determine who is going to work and who is not, given the standard of half, which is…

I know even at 8 percent, because I have seen figures, most major communities, at least in 1994, would not have met that criteria, and would have been over the 8 percent. So no recipient in that city, for the period of 1994, anyway--and my…

Right. So what you basically take is, let us say, 65 percent of the people who come into the program, and then by the year 2000, half of the 65 percent must be in some sort of work program. On the Republican side, we do not make that…