05/12/2009
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"We have amazing companies that deal with this stuff every day, and it is second nature."
"So does that mean we are basically at square one or are we actually realizing real savings that we can actually put back into the Treasury and use in other areas?"
"It always seems like we are a couple of steps behind. It seems like the government is an easy mark."
"I never heard you or your top assistant or the White House or anyone else talk about this commission, that supposedly was put together 4 years ago."