Virginia Foxx actually said...

I don't think we have a real sense of the scope of the fraud and abuse and the illegal activity.

I'm going to be delving into this a lot more on individual basis with both of you.

So the taxpayers are paying for whatever they are it seems to me, so we've got rampant fraud and rampant misuse of funds, and it's always th...

You need action. So when you have programs that aren't working, again, it doesn't do any good to just review them and say they're not workin...