Mark Meadows: “Because either a use requires action or it doesn't.”

He doesn't want to do anything, Pat.

Meadows reportedly telling investigators that Trump was, quote, dishonest, when he claimed he won the election.

He also said that he had never seen any evidence of fraud that would have kept now President Joe Biden from the White House, and agrees with the assessment that this was the most secure election in U.S. history.

What we are looking at is the kind of material -- we are talking about what was flushed down a toilet.