Mark Meadows actually said...

"I agree."

"I do not ever bluff, so let me ask you this. When does threaten and when does consequences to actions--because too many times we threaten without resolve."

"It would be too late, yes. When they become the consumer of their own products, it is game over."

"Exactly. So what you are saying is to have real consequences that we are committed to, regardless of the circumstances of implementing."