Mark Meadows actually said...

Exactly. So what you are saying is to have real consequences that we are committed to, regardless of the circumstances of implementing.

So how do we create within China this interest or this respect for the rule of law, because we see that in so many areas where there is not ...

I need to realize how far down the road we are going.

How big does it have to get before you see a concerted effort on all parts to come together and to address it?