Mark Meadows actually said...

I don't like to employ sanctions. But there is a number of other tools that the Goldman Act allows the State Department to employ that they ...

I made a living in soft diplomacy so I understand the benefits of soft diplomacy but I also understand when it doesn't work.

The frustration becomes is--and the reason for the Goldman Act originally was the type of soft diplomacy that you have described.

Obviously, in February, the GAO added the Federal IT management to the list of high-risk categories.