Mark Meadows actually said...

"I do not ever bluff, so let me ask you this. When does threaten and when does consequences to actions--because too many times we threaten without resolve."

"Exactly. So what you are saying is to have real consequences that we are committed to, regardless of the circumstances of implementing."

"So how do we create within China this interest or this respect for the rule of law, because we see that in so many areas where there is not that?"

"I need to realize how far down the road we are going."