10/13/2020
https://www.msnbc.com...
"Of course it would, Senator."
"I have always believed that we need to be as sophisticated as the crooks that are breaking the laws."
"I just think people have to start looking at it in this way as we look at every way that we can grow jobs and the economy, that this is a major problem, and that is the way I look at it."
"Flipping the burden."