Al Franken actually said...

We do believe that if done right, flexible and, you know, including a lot of efficiencies, can be done in ways that will actually help the e...

So I think they can work very well. But they do have a lot of flexibility to, you know, they're not highly prescriptive.

In Minnesota we have an energy efficiency standard. Now it's called--you talk about having standards, but not mandates, right?

Oh, I see what you're saying.