Fred Upton: “The jury is still out on whether we can have success in changing the culture.”

This is -- I think, that call -- I think he might have been from South Carolina.

At a time when we are seeing the highest rates ever--100,000 folks, man, in 2020--it is so disturbing that the administration seems to be favoring weakening penalties for drug traffickers.

Well, he's on the tap lift, the short five, I guess you could call it. I don't think the things that he said back in 2016, maybe 2017 really matter much. He's a MAGA Republican.

Troubled waters, I guess you could say.