Fred Upton: “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”

This is -- I think, that call -- I think he might have been from South Carolina.

The first would be expanding energy production in the United States. So, of course, one way to do that is through oil and gas, but other ways is through renewable energy.

I think, with all governmental policies, there is a balance of costs and benefits.

Troubled waters, I guess you could say.