Fred Upton: “Should we allow EPA to write rules that would bind every state regardless of geography, hydrology, history, and…”

Well, he's on the tap lift, the short five, I guess you could call it. I don't think the things that he said back in 2016, maybe 2017 really matter much. He's a MAGA Republican.

This is -- I think, that call -- I think he might have been from South Carolina.

It is really sad on an important issue like this.

Troubled waters, I guess you could say.