Fred Upton: “Despite those tools, the interoperable network still remains elusive.”

I think, with all governmental policies, there is a balance of costs and benefits.

Troubled waters, I guess you could say.

The first would be expanding energy production in the United States. So, of course, one way to do that is through oil and gas, but other ways is through renewable energy.

This is -- I think, that call -- I think he might have been from South Carolina.