Fred Upton: “Today's hearing is a valuable opportunity to hear more about the USDA Catfish Inspection Program.”

It is really sad on an important issue like this.

This is -- I think, that call -- I think he might have been from South Carolina.

The first would be expanding energy production in the United States. So, of course, one way to do that is through oil and gas, but other ways is through renewable energy.

Troubled waters, I guess you could say.