Fred Upton: “The loan guarantee program, as far as we know, has not developed many technological breakthroughs at all that would…”

Troubled waters, I guess you could say.

He took the Trump playbook and hit a home run as it related to the Trump view.

This is -- I think, that call -- I think he might have been from South Carolina.

The first would be expanding energy production in the United States. So, of course, one way to do that is through oil and gas, but other ways is through renewable energy.