Fred Upton: “I have always been a huge supporter of clean energy, but, obviously, issues like reliability and affordability are…”

This is -- I think, that call -- I think he might have been from South Carolina.

The first would be expanding energy production in the United States. So, of course, one way to do that is through oil and gas, but other ways is through renewable energy.

I think, with all governmental policies, there is a balance of costs and benefits.

Well, he's on the tap lift, the short five, I guess you could call it. I don't think the things that he said back in 2016, maybe 2017 really matter much. He's a MAGA Republican.