Ben Cardin actually said...

So then, in fact, if the collaboration is outside of the United States, you really don't have much ability to follow that money.

I don't think we're going to be able to resolve the problems of people getting visas to come to America at this hearing.

But here you have to balance the Nation's security in a Dr. Ivins-like situation against privacy concerns.

It puts additional attention on the subject that we have here today, which is the security of our containment labs.