Ben Cardin actually said...

I want to stop you for a moment, because, in your testimony, you come up with a good recommendation that there be voluntary norms of respons...

All I am suggesting is, make it more visible, because, if you do not do it, no other country will.

I find your testimony to be very, very helpful. And it does underscore the point that it is complicated.

I really want to thank both of the witnesses here.