John Kerry: “I don't see how you get this done with any semblance of normality, in terms of the approach.”

We are now giving less than a lot of other countries are doing in order to help particularly on climate.

We are not, I have not, President Biden has not, we are not saying to people, you should not fly.

We're spending billions--literally, actually, trillions.

In terms of global challenges and U.S. interests, yes.