There's an important norm about the presidency and about the way we act with each other in politics that this president seems to want to destroy.

I think this was a vulnerability that Trump had, because he wasn't counter fighting a system. So he didn't have the powerful inner circle of people who really knew what was going on in Washington advising him.

It does raise the question of whether trying to flip Manafort or not, was he knows enough now? That certainly indicates that he's in great legal jeopardy.

Yes, absolutely. I mean, the more they can pile up on him, you know, the multiple charges then the incentive to cooperate goes way up as you will know.

It really -- it does send a signal, at least a couple people in the inner circle. And Paul Manafort was in the inner circle as a chairman for a period of time. They just can't deny that.

It could be -- as I say, it could be -- it could have weight to a case against the president.

Does this add to a sense that there was an intent just as David Axelrod said, was there a motivation on the part of the president to shut Mueller down?

I do think that General Kelly has more leverage than anybody else who's been around. You know, if he walks, it will be so destructive of the Trump presidency. And everybody knows that.

I think that, you know, Carl Bernstein and I have been trying to argue here and Carl has been very forceful on this, that the issue of stability, the president's emotional and mental health is going to become increasingly important focus…

That's absolutely true, Anderson, and many, many Republicans have not spoken up against the president, but they have also dodged speaking up on his behalf.

I think these people speak for far more. People are telling these neo-Nazis are a fringe group. They hate, but we far outnumber them.