If the charges relate to collusion or conspiracy against the United States... that's going to send a shutter through the White House.

We do know that the Mueller investigation, you know, there was some speculation, and the Trump White House was trying to make us believe that there was nothing here.

I think it very much depends upon what charges are brought.

I want to go back to this, what Chris has been saying because I think he's got it right. It's a question partly, as we discussed all along, about what the indictments are for. But it's very much a question, too, of who the indictments are…

We know he lied to various people along the way. If he lied to a variety of people around the White House, there's a decent chance he lied to the FBI.

If you stay quiet and they eventually charge you with something or they eventually find you guilty of something, I will pardon you at that point.

We can use the word blessing, but he wasn't -- the charges weren't rejected by Rosenstein.

On the other hand, if he comes in with something about collusion, that's much more serious. And if he finds something, frankly, about money laundering by the Trump team, it's and -- put aside Manafort.

Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm sure they did. You know, after all they had a lot of access to J. Edgar Hoover's files and they're all sorts of details there both, you know, governmental and salacious.

But I think the fact that we're getting down to 300 pages does give more weight to what most experts -- I had a chance to talk to a Pulitzer Prize Winning Historian here Fredrik Logevall last night.

I think Donald Trump knows a lot more than he's let on. He has access no doubt to these documents that are still hidden or at least that he is been given summaries.