historians are going to look back and say this was another John Dean moment, when someone went and opened the curtain to what we could see of a president of the United States, the mendacity we have seen here.

It did, it did, Anderson. And I do think you're right to talk about the respect in which Mr. Taylor is held widely.

It has been American foreign policy for some time now to support and strengthen Ukraine, to come to the aid of those leaders.

Instead, what the president listened to with Putin and Orban and Giuliani and it soured his view on the Ukrainians.

It's now apparent from what we've learned from these courageous State Department officials as well as others that this was a very big deal. It was central to his presidency.

There is no way around it, Anderson, and I pray we won't really understand what's happened here for years because some of these documents will be locked up away from public view.

He clearly acknowledged it. He clearly was under instructions from others, including the president to walk it back.

I think the White House feels he has been out a lot on television, as Maggie said, but crucially, he is not effective.

the way he's acting is making it worse not better, in my judgment for his command and leadership of the country.

It may be a joke to Republican senators, it is not being treated as a joke in China.

It's as if the President is trying to normalize a President of the United States asking a foreign power to do a political favor for him to help him in his elections.